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Pipeline isn't a marketing problem. It's a coherence problem.
Pipeline isn't a marketing problem. It's a coherence problem.
A CMO’s response to a product-focused thesis on reputation and revenue. The other week, AP, the CEO of Showpad, argued…
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The Era of Software Exposure
The Era of Software Exposure
Software is at the backbone of the digital transformation We live in a world of massive digital transformation. The…
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A New Journey
A New Journey
Since April 2014, I have called CloudLock and Cisco my home. What an incredible journey it has been over the last 4…
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What's In Your Marketing Toolbox?
What's In Your Marketing Toolbox?
In a world of data-driven marketing, there are limitless options for leveraging tools to help you make sense of your…
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Should Compensation be a Main Driver for a Job?
Should Compensation be a Main Driver for a Job?
This originally appeared in VentureFizz LinkedIn has published interesting research confirming that people are…
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7 Steps to Bridge the Marketing-Sales Divide
7 Steps to Bridge the Marketing-Sales Divide
As a marketer, the arguably most important relationship you’ll have is that with the sales team. Teaming up with sales…
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Picking the Right Company (Part 2)
Picking the Right Company (Part 2)
In my last blog, I focused on key criteria in picking the right company as it relates to the people, culture and your…
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Picking the Right Company (Part 1)
Picking the Right Company (Part 1)
I’m starting my new blog series “Marketing Demystified” today, a blog series intended to help emerging CMOs, VPs of…
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Key Takeaways from the 2016 RSA Conference
Key Takeaways from the 2016 RSA Conference
Last week I attended the RSA Conference in San Francisco for about the 10th time. I was also able to attend the 12th…
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Bernd Leger shared thisLast week, we brought our GTM, Marketing, and Product teams to Chicago for three days under one banner: All In. Our Revenue Kick Off. And we went ALL IN. We unveiled the new Showpad to 160+ teammates in a raw moment with the people who will bring it to life every single day. The energy when it landed — I could feel the shift in the room. Cheers, claps, and a buzz that still hasn’t faded. I’ve spent 25+ years in marketing and launched several rebrands, but this room felt different. Sharing something I believe in deeply with the people who'll carry it forward — that's what this work is all about. Months of customer research, competitive analysis, creative workshops, web sprints, and late nights — all leading to a big Lightning Strike moment in that room. Our marketing team built this new Showpad from the ground up. New category. New positioning. New visual identity. New messaging. New website. New pitch. All at once. Massive thank you to this team for pouring everything into making it real. Presenting on that RKO stage was my privilege. But the standing ovation belonged to them. And that was just the start of the week. Every single day hits just as hard. Our CEO Apratim Purakayastha and CRO Amanda Bedborough painting a picture of real sellers. A beer rep in Sydney. A seller closing a deal from a truck. An IT services team enabling thousands of partners at scale. And both of them telling the room, “Each of us must lift all of us,” and meaning it. Our customers, Tony Kennedy and David Barker telling us what matters in their world. Celebrating our Showpad Aces, the folks who raise the bar with how they show up every day. And of course, it's the casino night, because if you're going to ask a team to go all in, you should probably deal out some cards 🃏 What Showpad is building is unlike anything this space has seen. And after last week, I know we've got the right team to do it.
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Bernd Leger shared thisSomewhere right now, a seller is sitting in a 🏥 hospital parking lot reviewing specs before a meeting that could change how surgeries are performed. Somewhere else, a rep is driving 🚘 between plant visits with 1,000 SKUs in her head and a buying committee of eight waiting for answers. These are the people we built Showpad for. Today, everything — category, platform, message — is built to match their reality. I wrote about why we're defining a new category, what revenue effectiveness means, and what it changes for the organizations selling the products the world relies on. Read it here: https://lnkd.in/eB5vexMy Then join Showpad’s CEO Apratim Purakayastha, CPO Potoula Chresomales, and me live on April 20 for a candid look at the revenue effectiveness gap and the platform built to close it: https://lnkd.in/eA6pzyZY
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Bernd Leger shared thisWhat does it actually mean for marketing to be the steward of pipeline, not just the source of it? Apratim Purakayastha recently shared his perspective on B2B marketing as a product and technology leader. Here's my take from the other side of the table.Pipeline isn't a marketing problem. It's a coherence problem.Pipeline isn't a marketing problem. It's a coherence problem.
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Bernd Leger shared thisI greatly enjoyed being part of the CMO Boston Brunch panel today alongside Peter Mahoney, KC Lincoln, and Grant Ho! Lively discussion on 2026 GTM trends and how CMOs can thrive in a world where we a lot of our tactics are not working anymore. Thanks for putting together an amazing event and moderating Lora Kratchounova! Here are some of my top takeaways from our discussion: GTM alignment is about focusing on joint goals that matter to the business: ARR, pipeline, and P&L impact. That is also the language that the C-level team and the board understand If SEO isn't dead yet, it will be soon. AIO can't and shouldn't be gamed. Algorithms will change too often and too quickly. Figure out where your target audience hangs out and build out content that they love (customer reviews, analyst reports, etc.) that they consume in those channels. Yes, AI is a transformation and is disrupting how we think about our channels. Embedding AI into our org designs and deploying AI agents for specific tasks can be a game-changer. However, with the rapid evolution of tools, it is preferable to experiment rather than sign long-term deals with vendors. Guidance to vendors: as CMOs, we need help with expertise we don't have, the ability to go faster, or to become more cost-efficient. That has to be your pitch and value proposition. With the average CMO tenure at around 18 months, put points on the board quickly to earn the right to think about a mid and longer-term strategy.
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Bernd Leger shared thisOn my way home from the Cornerstone OnDemand International Sales Kickoff in Bangkok. It was so energizing to see our team jointly with our partners celebrate our 2024 success and gear up for an exciting 2025! Six months after the launch of our AI platform for Workforce Agility, the kickoff provided a great venue to further discuss how organizations can close the workforce readiness gap, elevate their talent and transform their businesses into high performance organizations. The marketing team will be spending the next few weeks finalizing our big launch on where we are taking AI next on March 11. We are going galactic! #workforceagility #SKO #Bangkok
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Bernd Leger shared thisHappy to share that I'll be speaking at Category Creation | CMO Huddles Studio! Make sure to attend it today.Bernd Leger shared thisCategory creation is a surefire way to differentiate any B2B brand—but achieving it requires the right conditions and strategies (plus, there are a lot of definitions of category creation out there!). Don’t miss our final #CMOHuddlesStudio of 2024, featuring Huddlers Bernd Leger, Charles Groome, and Jakki Glivicky Geiger, veteran category creators who know what it takes to stand out. ⏰ Set your reminder below! ↓ 👋 Cornerstone OnDemand Biz2Credit #CMOHuddlesStudio #CHS
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Bernd Leger shared this📢 Registration Now Open: Cornerstone Spark 2025! Join us May 27–29, 2025, at Wynn Las Vegas for Cornerstone OnDemand’s premier global event. Featuring 50+ sessions and hands-on workshops, this conference will explore the latest in AI, workforce agility, and the future of work. Register now to spark creativity, connect with industry leaders, and shape the future: workforce agility, and the future of work. Register now to spark creativity and stay ahead of tomorrow: https://lnkd.in/dzkeSYFs #CornerstoneSpark25 #Innovation #AI #Learning #WorkforceAgillity
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Bernd Leger shared thisGreat interview by our own veteran, Dave Arkley, COO and CFO at Cornerstone OnDemand with sports partner, veteran, world champion, 4-time Paralympian and mom Melissa Stockwell. Thank you both for your service! #VeteransDayBernd Leger shared this🇺🇸 In honor of Veterans Day and to recognize the invaluable contributions veterans make to the workforce, our partner, Melissa Stockwell—mother, four-time American Paralympian, and co-founder of Dare2tri—sat down with Cornerstone’s Chief Operating Officer & Chief Financial Officer Dave Arkley, for a thoughtful conversation. Tune in now! https://csod.info/4esUL5h They share their personal journeys from military service to civilian life, offering insights into the challenges and triumphs of that transition. They also explore the importance of supporting veterans in the workforce and discuss strategies for organizations to tap into the unique skills, resilience, and leadership qualities that veterans bring. #VeteransDay
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Bernd Leger shared thisWhat an amazing story! Melissa defies all conventional boundaries. I am so proud that Cornerstone OnDemand is partnering with Melissa Stockwell. We applaud your accomplishments as an athlete, as a mom, as an entrepreneur, and as a veteran!Bernd Leger shared thisOur partner, Melissa Stockwell—a four-time American Paralympian, former U.S. Army officer, and co-founder of the Dare2tri Paratriathlon Club—finished fifth in the women’s PTS2 race at the 2024 Paralympic Games in Paris! Stockwell is a true inspiration to athletes of all ages. Her unwavering determination and agility in the face of challenges continue to astound. As she said after the race, "When I crossed that finish line carrying that flag, in 5th place, there was nothing but pure happiness. At 44 years old, mother of 2, 5th place in the world." We’re proud to support Melissa Stockwell and collaborate to encourage greater agility, alignment, and adaptability in both sports and business. https://lnkd.in/gUZazuct
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisOne thing I’ve learned after years of scaling companies, leading through acquisitions, rebuilding teams, and partnering with founders and boards: Most organizational challenges are not actually “people problems.” They’re clarity problems. Unclear decision-making. Unclear ownership. Unclear expectations. Unclear priorities during growth or change. And when organizations grow quickly, go through M&A, or hit an inflection point, those gaps become impossible to ignore. The strongest People leaders I have worked with don’t just build HR programs. They create structure that helps businesses execute better. That might mean redesigning leadership layers. Resetting accountability. Building a talent strategy aligned to the business, not just hiring faster. Or helping teams navigate ambiguity without losing momentum. The work becomes less about policies… and more about architecture. Clarity. Structure. Scale. That’s the work I continue to enjoy most.
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisBillionaire explains why product beats distribution… I interviewed Mike Repole in Florida, and I asked him if he thinks everyone is built for entrepreneurship. Since he sold two beverage giants for billions of dollars, I asked him whether he thinks product or distribution is more important in business.
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisThe GTM candidates I speak to every day aren't struggling because they can't sell. They're burned out, overwhelmed, and under-equipped — because the tools they've been handed were built for a buying process that no longer exists. 72% of sellers say they're less productive because of the sheer number of skills and tools expected of them. That stat doesn't surprise me. I hear it in conversations all the time. It's a big part of why I'm proud to be building the GTM team at Showpad Showpad just made a fundamental shift — not just a rebrand, but a rethink of what sellers actually need. Not more tools. An end-to-end, AI-native platform where everything works together so reps can show up prepared, pitch with precision, and close with confidence. 2,000 companies like GE Healthcare, Panasonic, and PepsiCo already rely on Showpad for exactly that. If you're a GTM professional who wants to sell at a company that genuinely understands how modern selling works — I'd love to talk! 👇 Read more about what we're building: https://lnkd.in/ePQTnbG2
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisOur Annual Awards Dinner brought together the #SEOCommunity for an inspiring evening celebrating leadership, opportunity, and the next generation of talent. This year, we were proud to honor: José E. Feliciano, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Clearlake Capital Group Carlos Whitaker, Senior Managing Director, Blackstone & SEO ’97 Alumnus A special thank you to our Dinner Chair, Jose Tavarez, NYC President & Private Bank Vice Chair, Bank of America, for his support in making this evening possible. Throughout the night, our SEO Scholars reminded us why this work matters. Their stories, ambition, and presence were a powerful reflection of the impact of the #SEOCommunity and the importance of continuing to invest in future leaders. Thank you to everyone who joined us, supported, and celebrated alongside us. #SEOAnnualAwardsDinner
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisI quit my job and started Heinz Marketing Inc in November 2008. In retrospect: one of the better decisions I've ever made. The conditions were objectively terrible in hindsight. The financial crisis was reaching its nadir. My wife was finally pregnant (after 2+ years of trying) with our first child. But Beth is a public school teacher and had great health coverage. I had one client signed before I gave my notice and another I believed would close soon (and thankfully it did). When you can't coast, you get clear on what actually matters. When you can't afford to fail, you grind and figure out what's gonna work quickly. A surprising number of today's most successful and resilient companies were started in recessions. Not because the founders were reckless — but because the conditions stripped away every option except the right one. My timing in November 2008 was objectively bad. Heinz Marketing is now almost 18 years old. I'm not sure timing was ever the variable.
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisGrateful to be included in the B2B CMO 100 by The B2B CMO Project. What I appreciate most is what this represents, a community of marketing leaders trying to help each other navigate a moment where the job is getting harder, not easier. I’ve always believed marketing starts with people, the customers we serve and the teams doing the work. The technology only matters if it makes their lives better and helps them succeed. Over the course of my career, I’ve spent a lot of time trying to bend the laws of demand gen physics, turning data and signal into something real that actually drives growth. More recently, that work has shifted toward helping other marketing leaders do the same. At the center of it for me has always been the story we tell, how clearly we define the problem, how honestly we position the solution, and whether it genuinely delivers value and makes life easier for the people we’re trying to serve. Grateful to be included alongside leaders like Carrie Palin, Denise Persson, Kyle Lacy, and others. See the full list: b2bcmoproject.com
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisPersonal update time. 👋 Two weeks ago, my time at Cornerstone OnDemand came to an end. While I didn't initiate the departure, I wish the team nothing but continued success. Those who know me know I would never walk away from my team, my partners, or work I care about. That's just not how I'm wired. It was a genuine pleasure working alongside such talented people. Now for the part I'm really excited about. I'm dusting off something near and dear to my heart: Cedar Knoll Group. I founded CKG back in 2016, paused client work entirely during my time at Cornerstone, and now I'm leaning back into consulting. And honestly? It feels like coming home. I've already hit the ground running with a few clients looking to accelerate their learning strategy and tie it directly to business outcomes. And I'm just getting started. Here's what I'm doing: 🎯 Fractional CLO Leadership — embedded strategic learning leadership without the full-time overhead 🎯 Executive Advisory — a senior thinking partner for HR, talent, and L&D leaders navigating big, messy, exciting challenges 🎯 90-Day Strategy Sprints — rapid-cycle learning strategy development tied directly to business outcomes If your organization is wrestling with skills gaps, tech sprawl, AI integration, or the ever-growing expectation that L&D prove its value in the language of the business: that's exactly where I thrive. I've spent 20+ years building learning organizations that move the needle. I'm ready to help more of you do the same. Let's connect. 🤝 🌐 www.ckgconsulting.net
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Bernd Leger liked thisCongratulations Blitzy team! We are thrilled to help you grow and dominate the market!Bernd Leger liked thisToday, Blitzy is announcing our $200M growth round at a $1.4B valuation, led by Northzone with participation from PSG and Battery Ventures. Backlogs never shrink. Modernization initiatives get deferred year after year. Features slip from quarter to quarter. Not because the work is unworthy, but because there are never enough engineers. Large-scale digital transformation is not constrained by vision or ambition. It is constrained by engineering velocity, product imagination, and mounting technical debt. The current SDLC was designed to augment engineers’ strengths and minimize their limitations in a world without AI. We built Blitzy from day zero for full autonomy. Blitzy reverse-engineers your codebase before writing a line of new code. Thousands of agents then work in parallel, bound by a pre-approved spec from your best engineers. Every output is validated against a knowledge graph of your architecture, dependencies, and conventions. The proof is in production: - Over 1 billion lines of enterprise code ingested across 10 industries inside the Global 2000 - Highest recorded SWE-Bench Pro score at 66.5% - Engineering velocity accelerated 5x on average, with mainframe migrations, platform consolidations, and new feature additions delivered in weeks instead of quarters Thank you to Flybridge, Link Ventures, NFX, Picus Capital, and Venture Guides for believing early, when these bets were not yet consensus and for sharing our mission to build enduring AI companies in Boston. Thank you to our customers for trusting us with their most important workloads. And thank you to the team for the long nights and the unrelenting focus on customer outcomes. Finally, thank you to Forbes and Sofia Chierchio for telling our story: https://lnkd.in/e97miW_Q
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Bernd Leger liked thisBernd Leger liked thisAn observation on AI conflicts from the Forrester B2B Summit last week in Phoenix...
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CMO's Advice: 5 Steps That Will Help Recruiters Work Better With Marketing
LinkedIn Talent Blog
See publicationBlog post with advice how recruiters and marketers can work better together.
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Five Steps to In-App Happiness
Mobile Marketing Magazine
See publicationThis guest column I wrote for Mobile Marketing Magazine describes five specific best practices that savvy in-app marketers use to drive engagement with successful apps.
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Studieren in USA und Kanada ("Studying in the US and Canada")
Campus Verlag
See publicationMy second book was based on my own experience applying to Georgetown University. A best practice guide for German-speaking students seeking to study in the U.S. and Canada and published by Campus Verlag, it ranked in Amazon Germany's Top 5,000 in the year of its launch.
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Praktikum in USA und Kanada ("Interships in the US and Canada")
Campus Verlag
See publicationMy first book, published in the German Campus Verlag. This book is a guide for German speaking students who seek an internship in the US and Canada. The first print edition was 4,000 books.
Projects
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Various Speaking Engagements
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DisruptHR Boston: Take Your Talent Brand to the Next Level with Humor and Heart
LinkedIn Talent Brand Executive Workshop: Leveraging Culture to Build Your Employer Brand
LinkedIn Talent Connect Conference: David beats Goliath
Bessemer CMO Advisory Board Meetup: Marketing Metrics Magic
MassTLC Innovation Unconference: Pitch Perfect
TiE Boston: Marketing for Start-Ups
MassTLC: Connecting Marketing to Revenue
Ascent Venture Partners' B2B IT Forum: Bringing Mobile into the…DisruptHR Boston: Take Your Talent Brand to the Next Level with Humor and Heart
LinkedIn Talent Brand Executive Workshop: Leveraging Culture to Build Your Employer Brand
LinkedIn Talent Connect Conference: David beats Goliath
Bessemer CMO Advisory Board Meetup: Marketing Metrics Magic
MassTLC Innovation Unconference: Pitch Perfect
TiE Boston: Marketing for Start-Ups
MassTLC: Connecting Marketing to Revenue
Ascent Venture Partners' B2B IT Forum: Bringing Mobile into the Enterprise
Boston College MBA Class Guest Lecturer: How to leverage app analytics for eCommerce
Startup Institute
United Security Summit (Chair)
Publicity Club of New England: Dissecting the Process of Tying Public Relations to Sales
Honors & Awards
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The Top 101 B2B Marketing Influencers of 2024 Award
CMO Huddles
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The Top 101 B2B Marketing Influencers of 2023 Award
CMO Huddles
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The Top 101 B2B Marketing Influencers of 2022 Award
CMO Huddles
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The evolving B2B tech landscape makes competitive displacement the default path for GTM teams. Simultaneously, it adds new layers of organizational risk, internal scrutiny, and emotional complexity for buyers. We created The Definitive Guide for Competitive Displacement to give GTM teams a smarter way forward—rooted in precise intelligence, not spray-and-pray ABM. Inside, you’ll discover: ▪️ Why traditional competitive intelligence leaves Sales, Marketing, CS, and Product flying blind ▪️ The exact data signals that show which accounts are truly ready to switch — and which never will ▪️ A step-by-step campaign framework for turning competitor intelligence into pipeline ▪️ GTM best practices from strategy to execution ▪️ How to fuse data, content, and activation into a single displacement play The switching window opens for buyers when the cost of staying exceeds the risk of moving. This guide helps you locate that window and act before it closes:
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Most SaaS companies waste budget on outbound tactics when inbound delivers 3X the ROI. Quality content isn't just blog posts. It's strategic assets that solve specific problems your ideal customers actually search for. The best inbound strategy? Create less content, but make it 10X more valuable than competitors. Measure what matters: track assisted conversions, not just traffic. A smaller, engaged audience beats vanity metrics every time. Your content should be a magnet, not a megaphone. What would you add? Follow us for more SaaS growth insights at https://lnkd.in/dYtKSaPE #SaaS #InboundMarketing #B2BMarketing #ContentStrategy #LeadGeneration #GrowthHacking #saas #saasgrowth #B2B
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